Weekly Scrap #286 - Jimmy Davis, challenging your drive

Corley: February 16th, we are starting brand new V50 challenge. I try to do these all the time. In fact, I do these all the time, and I never give people enough time to sign up because I want to do it as a group again, like we did when we first started. And I'm giving you February 16th, that's 13 days from today, to get a journal if you want to be a part of it. Go to firehousevigilance. com, get your journal if you want to be a part of it. We're going to be checking in every day on the Discord. The vigilantes have our own Discord. We'll be checking in every day, holding each other accountable for all 50 days of the commitment. Now I try to do these all the time and I realize that there's a lot of people who don't know what the V50 is. And it's really very simple. It is a 50-day commitment to better yourself, to grow. It is all about your body Mind, soul, and goals. Body, mind, soul, and goals. You do eight things, eight things every day, and you score yourself on how well you do those things. You set goals for yourself every day and then you score yourself on how well you did those things and you do it for a 50-day commitment. And the best part is you do it with like-minded souls. The vigilantes will all be getting together in that Discord and talking about and encouraging each other and picking each other up when we fail and have bad days and encouraging each other and shouting out hurrahs when we have those good days So if you want to be a part of the V50 commitment, it starts on February 16th. That is day one. Get your journal. Not required to do it, but man, it sure helps. You could do it with just a notebook, but This has all the scoring pages for keeping track of your score. It has the daily entries for all the things you do. And it has all the instructions at the front for how the whole program works. So if you want to make a difference in your life, if you want to make changes, if you want to grow, if you want to be a more effective person and prove it to yourself that you can do it, make the V50 commitment.

Corley: I'll see you on February 16th. Corley Moore, Firehouse Vigilance, it is weekly scrap number 286. My guest tonight is James. Jimmy Davis. He is a captain and 30-year veteran of the Chicago Fire Department assigned to Engine Company 43 serving Logan Square. He instructs and lectures nationally and internationally on many subjects relating to mid- to high-rise firefighting strategies and life safety concerns in tall buildings. He is a hands-on instructor providing training in Stan Pi of Operations hose deployment strategies for mid-rise buildings throughout the U. S. He is an FSRI UL Technical Panel member for the study of fire dynamics and firefighting tactics in multi-story residential structures He has authored and contributed to fire service publications involving high-rise fires and is a frequent FDIC instructor. He is a self-proclaimed student of the game. He is also, one of the things I'm most proud of is he is a contributing member on the Book of Search, which we're going to talk about tonight. And I'm proud to say, welcome, my brother. Long time coming. Jimmy Davis, welcome to scrap number 286. Jimmy Davis: Man, what an intro, man. It's like rolling out the red carpet here, too. Number 286. No wonder why it took so long, right? Feel like I'm at the deli picking the number to be served, you know But you know, with all kidding aside, I want to thank you, Corley. I know it's been a long time, man. I am so pumped up to be here So pumped up, man, to use this platform to convey some really great information, man. So yeah, like I said, I am I am ready to go here, brother. I'm excited. Thank you for that intro, man. I appreciate it. Well deserved.

Corley: Well deserved And I will say this, I don't know, like this, I love when guests are thorough in their preparation and they give a nice outline with lots of topics because that allows so many options, man. And you were very thorough. So I love that I don't know what's longer, the outline or the names of the ULFSRI studies, because those might be the longest names. I don't know if they have a competition to see how long they can make the names. But I am I am excited. That gets me excited Is there anything I missed in the intro? Anything you want to add to it? Jimmy Davis: No, I said probably the next hour or so, which is pretty cool here while we're seated in our chairs, man. You know that the earth is going a thousand miles an hour So the one thing I want to say, are we going to be seated in our chair watching the fire service go by a thousand miles, or we're going to get out of the chair and move the fire service a thousand miles? Man. Corley: I like the challenge right out the gate. All right. I'm gonna get to the beautiful sponsors, then we'll get straight to the scrap And I do love my office chair, man. It's it's nice and it is built to last. and finally, one of my favorite people, Andy Starnes, Insight Fire Training Thermography, Certified Fire Service Professionals Insight Fire Training specializes in training individuals across the globe in the tactical use of thermal imaging cameras in emergency services. Insight Fire Trading developed the world's first thermography-based collegiate firefighter certification and trains firefighters, manufacturers, and industrial professionals across the globe. And I can personally say if you take an Andy Starnes class, man, he breaks it down and makes you understand why it works and how it works. It's amazing. So, all right, there we go. The Sponsors are done and we are ready to scrap. People are checking in. They are checking in from Florida. They are checking in from Ohio. They are checking in from around the world. Luke Stevenson is here representing the Southern Hemisphere And sending the great questions as always. I count on Luke to send great questions each and I mean I count on them all, but he has built a reputation for himself. Let me see what we all got.

Corley: On duty, gonna try to Brad is on the front row, ready to watch McGinn said hit that thumbs up. Let's go. Yes, yeah, there's a lot of hype. All right. Jimmy is one of the best. Oh, Insight Fire Training. Actually, Andy's here. I didn't know he's here. I'm assuming it's Andy. Okay. All that being said. Let's get to the introduction of the like I said you sent an awesome outline. I love it when when when guests have stuff they want to talk about, what they're passionate about. And one of the things you wanted to talk about, one of the things I would I would I don't want to really start out heavy But we talked about it beforehand, and there's been some line of duty deaths recently in Chicago and over the course of your career. I'll just, I'll just throw it to you and let you start with that and and kind of set the stage for what yeah, go ahead. Jimmy Davis: Oh, thank you, Corley, for the mic here, man. Man, listen to this here. And this is mind-boggling. You know, some of the listeners, and thank you guys that are listening in tonight. You may have never experienced a line of duty death I'm going to go back into 1997 this month, which when was a point of reality when reality set in for me. I lost a good buddy. Shout out to Patrick King. He lost his life at a fire 107th and Western in a building collapse. I had lunch with him about two weeks before that. All right, you know, and I wish I had a crystal ball, you know, that I carry around with me. We don't have one, but I would have just You know, number one says, be careful at this fire. In number two, man, just to hug him, just tell him I love him. So what happened after that? he died, bolstering roof collapse. That's when, like I said, the reality really hit hard. I says, you know, this job and Corley and everyone out there, you can relate to that because this is a dangerous job, man. You show up to work one minute. you know, after shift, you know, you're you're minus one. So that one is really was the drive for me, man, to to really make You know how we we use the word safe and we use that and we throw that word around a lot, being safe.

Jimmy Davis: Right. But what are we doing to make things safe? And what are we doing, man, to prevent future instances? So going back to my other story for 30 years in the Shabay, a 31 line of duty desk. For me, that's too much, right? Or one too many, right? So 31. When you have that many deaths in that, then you start to wonder and you start to think about what is wrong with the process or your system within your department. I think that's a really good time to stop, right? Pause and reflect and examine your department, what's going in. Also the conveyance of really important information, of factual information, of identifying certain conditions contributing causes so that we could capture that and really highlight that and get that out to the members in that because line of duty desks if you teach stuff if you're going to teach anything People seeing the grab hold of things that are experience-based. All right. Not from a book, man. They're going to listen to me. They're going to listen to others. You know, and being number 268 and seeing all the other guys on this on this show, they got some great stuff. They're gonna listen, but it's experience-based what they're gonna remember, especially what line of duty does. so with 31, that's line of duty desks. Right. Now we stop there and now we talk about injuries on the fire ground. Now do you think, and I pose this to the listeners, and you might want to chat about that, are fire ground injuries or near misses or close calls should they be investigated with the vigor, the vigor? of a line of duty death and also capturing that information and getting that information out to the field for the members because what did I say that's an experience based not a textbook and they're more inclined To use that information and process it and apply it on on the fire ground. You know, and our job is is to keep things, you know, it's the number one candor default. Keep everybody safe. We gotta keep people safe. The fire ground is unpredictable. And I always say that your waiver or your your rider of insurance kind of is null and void the minute you cross the threshold of a burning building. All right, there is things that we can do that to keep us safe.

Jimmy Davis: And then there's things on the fire ground that we may have no control over. But knowledge and awareness, man, is going to be your best your best maybe shield or guardian preventing few future instances so yes man we've had a really hard time it's hard to process all that this stuff too. You know, that's another thing. And with 31, some of these guys I knew personally, some I didn't know. When we talk about my department, we got 5,000 guys on it department right so you you you you don't know everybody but everybody within my department is a brother and sister Right? When I'm out there teaching, everyone is still my brother and sister, man. So the message You know, the message will be the same, man. I carry that around with me, man. And You know, I reflect back on the job, man. A lot of laughters and a lot of tears, man. I think I've covered both extremes Corley: Both ends of the spectrum. Jimmy Davis: Yeah. But line of duty does in that, you know, if you haven't gone through that, I hope that nobody goes through that. Man, that's a defining moment. It really is in your career and you ask yourself and what can I do to contribute? All right. What can I do in my department to contribute to the reduction of line of duty deaths? Hopefully having none. And a reduction, right, of of injuries on the fire ground.

Corley: Yeah. Jimmy Davis: You know, so That's a lot of verbal stew there, but that's that it brings out a lot of emotions that maybe a few can connect with. Corley: No, absolutely. And the hearts are flying by as people react. And I love I Love the message. Is there a I don't even want to say a C is there takeaways that you've taken to heart through the 30 years and the 31, is there any big ones that stick out to you as far as lessons that you said this is now a principle of my life or of my training philosophy or of my reporting to duty routine? Anything along those lines? Jimmy Davis: Yeah, Corley, you know, you know, I would say I think mindset is probably the biggest factor. of this. I remember when I worked the west side of Chicago as a really young fireman. Now I'm just like an old guy, you know, in the movie, you know, with with with Morgan Freeman and Shaw Shempert, you know, I look in the mirror and I'm a I'm an older guy. But as a young guy back then which he had the blessing, it was the mindset, and I really didn't know it, but I kind of like knew it. And let me explain that. When I worked a busy west side in the 13th Battalion, I was 100, 117. We ran with a lot of companies and went went to fires. Your mindset showing up to work was, guess what, man? we're going to a fire today. Yeah, I mean we're we're going to a fire. So we would average one or two a day. That was constant. I would say with that, you were at the sharpest. You were spot on on your game, man. because you did it all the time and you had the mindset because that was gonna happen. So I look at through the years and going to different firehouses and being promoted and going to slower houses That sharp edge wasn't there and it may not be there because you're not going to the fires. And then there's a big word that I call the big C word, man. really entertains the real big enemy of complacency. If you're not doing fires all the time, do you think that might be able to slide in? complacency. And I think that's still alive and well in the fire service right now, man.

Jimmy Davis: You know, it's just something that we have not snuffed out. but that's gonna be up again to the department and company officers, but also to that individual fireman, man, is that do you want to be the complacent guy? All right. If you hang around with Yeah, I'm gonna get into this. Here's my disclaimer. There are some things I'm gonna say that might offend people, all right? Okay, all right, which is which is safe And also remember, folks, that I see things through a different lens. Right? I got almost a hundred firehouses. I'm an urban firefighter. I come from a very and we'll talk about that very aggressive fire department that is really thick. thick in culture and tradition is the Chicago Fire Department. All right. That's where I come from. So I'm gonna go back to to what I was saying there. you know knowing that again it's through a different lens. Right. But it's the mindset preparation, the complaints it's complacency, but it's up to the individual firefight. And that's where I wanted to leave off. If you're hanging around at your fire station not training, you're hanging around with loads, all right. And we all have them, guess what you're going to become? A load. If you hang out with Four to five, six, or how many guys are in your firehouse that are high performance go-getters, man, that really understand the impact and the importance of this job. Guess what you will become. You are who you hang out with, man, on duty and off duty. Right. So that's a yeah. So that's yeah, so that's a factor, man, or you know, right now is the first thing that comes to mind. There's a lot of things that come to mind. But you know what? You can't, and please, the people that are listening, man, if you let the complacency. . Enter into your fire company or enter your your daily routine of doing stuff, man, then check this out, man. You're already compromised.

Corley: Sorry, I gotta write down notes. I gotta take notes. I love sound bites and I hate when I walk when I you can tell when someone's really delivering a good soundbite and then I I walk on it. I hate when I walk on it. So you are who you hang out with, man, timestamp. Derek, I said it. He said, you are who you hang out with. Timestamp. I wanted to dig in on the injuries and the near misses because especially because we we do focus a lot on a line of duty, and that's because there is no there is no glossing over a line of duty dead. But how mu how often do we just kind of ignore a near miss or don't even report it or self-report it or or just gloss over that it even happened? You know, how can we do better on that? Or what's the what's the cure for for learning as much from near misses as we do from like a line of duty death? Jimmy Davis: All right, can everyone hear me? I'm gonna whisper. Training. All right. Training and I think that you know after 30 years I'm not gonna get an argument out of that. Nobody's gonna debate me about the value of training. Nobody Right. How do you reduce injuries? How do you reduce line of duty deaths? So I tell you what, one critical element, right, is add of training. You know, training leads to preparation, training leads to prep self-confidence. The list goes on, right? But we have to look at each department, you know, and this is the introspect of yourself and where you're from. Is drum roll no drummer here, but progressive and reactive fire departments, man. You have two different types of departments. Are you progressive? Question mark Are your reactive question mark? You know, and I wrote down, man, in anticipation of show because again, I was so pumped up, man, that to hang out with you Is it proactive and reactive, man? When things are happening frequently and they're repetitive, but you do nothing about it That's shameful and that's disgraceful. You're doing it disservice for your fire department. You're doing it disservice for your membership. All right. That would be reactive. Proactive, right? And I think we talked about that and I whispered that in your ear. Training, give them the equipment, give the guys the support, giving them the back, the backing, all right.

Jimmy Davis: Support the troops that go to battle. Because that's what we're doing. When we look at it and step outside of it, man, what is firefighting? We are going into battle The only thing we don't have bullets flying over our head, right? We got fire over our head. It's still the same thing. Equip them, support them. All right, and be their advocate, man, because they're the ones that are going into the into battle. So it's reactionary proactive. I think that departments that are more inclined to be proactive Probably, and this is anecdotal, probably have a a lesser injury rate, or in some cases may have never experienced a line of duty death. You know, I it it's anecdotal. That would be a good study, you know, but you know what department and what organization you're from Right. And that is maybe something that requires or warrants a conversation. How is our department? What is the state of the department? Corley: No, I love that. I love the conversation. I love I I love the whole progressive versus reactive, the shameful. This is what I love is here's my notepad. as I go. This is what I love already is I don't know if you can see that. That's just timestamps already as I'm running out of space. I was going to put them down in the corner and I'm already running out of space. So that's phenomenal. Are you ready for your first questions coming at you from the audience? Gregory Van Ham says, During those 31 line of duty deaths, did CFD change any processes from those line of duties to prevent further ones? Was there any processes changed?

Jimmy Davis: Great, thank you. That's a great question. Yes. Remember, every line of duty is a opportunity to learn from it. And those opportunities are not brushed to the side, but they're put in actively, again, in your systems, your process or the way your department operates Oh yes, in many cases. and actually very proud of that too, being that of a big department too, to try to input Change is very difficult. It's more easy to cultivate or advocate change on smaller departments, but when you're dealing with CFD, Great department, you know, almost a hundred firehouses, man. you know, kudos to them as well. So, you know, one thing that it, you know, You would say, yeah, everything from radios to personal accountabilities to radio systems to Mayday to Mayday training. The list goes on because unfortunately a tragedy when it occurs, we just didn't know about it. You know, like man, we got all our bases covered. Then all of a sudden something happens and you're like, oh snap, man. We never thought of that. Right. Don't know what you don't know until you find out what you don't know. Yeah, and that's a good way of putting it. You don't know, but we try to get all our bases covered with that. So Greg, yes, to answer that question, it's important. But not only line of duty does, but I I it said earlier on the front end, man, is that these near misses, right, that occur with guys falling and in off of roofs and guys falling in in light shafts. The list goes on. The fire ground is a very unsafe place. All right. Number two, unsafest place. Number one being the war zone and being shot at, right? And having bombs go over your head. Number two, I think is probably the most dangerous place is going to be the fire ground. You don't know what's going to happen in the next minute. You don't know what's going to happen in the next five minutes. But stay on guard, be on point. Remember, mindset

Corley: Love it. I love it, man. great question, Gregory. And Gregory said, great answer. Thank you, Captain Davis. Andrew Johnston's coming at you with the next question. And I'm actually surprised because Andrew Johnston usually writes a thesis when he asks a question. And this one is actually two concise sentences. very proud of you, Andrew. How could we define reportable near misses in your opinion to help ensure they get reported and fully investigated with the best of intentions? So how can we define them? So even a knuckle dragon firefighter says, oh, I gotta report this. Jimmy Davis: Man, it's another one. Now I'm gonna give that some deep thought right now. All right. We have data collection means or mechanisms, firefighter rescue survey. Lieutenant Abraham out of Orlando with the Mayday stuff. Yes. Right. There are some collection points. I don't know if it's Nyosh. I'm drawing a blank right now, but they they they collect it. Is it maybe Nyosh? But it isn't widespread. And I think we talked about that you don't know what you don't know if you don't read the stuff and it's not readily available. How can you prepare yourself and safeguard yourself if you don't know anything about anything So right now I think that would be a really good a really good rally cry, Andrew, is that what if we had a near missed database? Stephen and standalone. We don't have that. It's probably done more so internally to your department, but is that information again shared throughout? the fire service to your brothers and sisters. You know, your knowledge is power and power is a knowledge. And it's the knowledge that will keep you safe.

Corley: You gotta start dropping wisdom, Jimmy. I gotta write it down. Knowledge will keep you safe. Hold on I gotta make fast notes. I love it. Thank you for the great question, Andrew, and a killer answer. Do you think that that a crowdsource, I say crowdsource, but but a But a fire service built like a survey collection thing like just like the firefighter rescue survey or the or the Mayday work that Ibram's doing, do you think that's the answer for the near misses? Jimmy Davis: That's a start. You know, but if you don't start anything, you're not gonna know anything. Yeah. You know, and then it in regards to the tall building and high rises too, you know, not to distract from the subject is that Data drives outcomes. And if we don't have data, we cannot drive favorable outcomes or justification. All right, manning, response profile, operational procedures. Again, that list will go on. The one thing lacking in tall buildings or AK is in high-rise building is the Ahern study dropped off in 2016. So we're at 2025. We don't have a national or international database when it comes to high-rise firefighting. There are many things that I would like to know, and two, two of the big things I want to know. Is the time they walk in the door and start flowing water? Water on fire. What is my timestamp? And another thing, what is my elevator failure? At what time? It's all over the board. Oh, it's gonna fail in five minutes. It's gonna fail in 30 minutes. We've seen the consistency maybe in relation to where the fire is at, maybe failure between 15 to 20 minutes. in that but we need data and we need to collect the data it drives outcome and it allows justification for a lot of the needs that we have that we're asking for, but it's also a supportive argument. So data outcomes.

Corley: Well hopefully someone that's listening will start the near-miss database and someone will start Jimmy Davis: get going on collecting the high-rise data and and start it it's been nine years you said since the 2016 NFPA Ahern again so in in the That little space here nothing's accounted for, man. You know, you you got nothing We're at the day and age, man, is collecting that, especially with technology in the the availability of AI, using that would be instrumental maybe in predictors identification purposes of things that occur at a specific time frame at a high-rise fire using that information and incorporating newer technology, man. Because they think if we use that, it's going to be a wonderful tool moving forward. And it's going to have the ability to keep firemen and building occupants safe. Corley: I love it, man. I love everything you're talking about. I want to get to we talked about culture and value of training. Is it a priority and what is your mindset? But the 10-factor error reduction. I I I was very intrigued by this and I haven't heard it. Jimmy Davis: So Yeah, my tenth factor in that, and I think Corley you want me to do the last how half hour in Spanish, right? Oh yeah, if you could. I call 10 factor in this, man, because I thought about that. Remember, after 30 years, man, you got a lot of time to think about stuff All right, because I think the wisdom, you're starting to now receive the wisdom. So 10 factor. Let me talk about this. Engine or truck, whatever the case is going to be. Tell me a fire ground that goes absolutely perfect.

Corley: Yeah, no. Jimmy Davis: Very, very right. I don't hear anything on that. All right. Do you know that when you go to fire, there may be 10 things that may go wrong? All right, here's your 10 factor. 10 things that go wrong. If you actively participate and see the value and embrace the culture of training in your department. All right. I'm from an engine company. Guess what we do We're stretching holes. Stretching holes? Yeah, we're stretching holes. So one of you were to take that 10 factor, 10 things that might go wrong or possibly will go wrong. And reduce it to maybe three or four. And he says, hey, you guys did great. So it's number one, I didn't do great. The guys did great. They're the ones that are manning the line. And secondly, to that You can really attest and really observe your crew and your company that train. Listen, you can only fool me for so long, man. Middle of fire. I I know if you got your stuff, are you bringing good stuff to the fire or you BSing me, man Doesn't take me long, brother. So it's air reduction. Everything we do on the fire surface is to reduce air. Everything we do on the fire ground is also measured in time. Time and task is another word that I use too. If you count up on a stopwatch, everything that you do on the fire ground. All right, and you get your bill at the end. Let's say you're at a dinner, they give you the bill. There it is. But the bill would be in time increments. When if you got that bill and it says it took you 15 minutes to do all this stuff, right. 15, 20 different, it's the time that it takes you. So line that is a 10 factor, it's a time and fa in task. The more you do stuff, the more you train, the more you get your hands on this, the more you see the value of this, you will reduce that time, possibly cut it in half. But it also builds a confidence in the guy Well you're trying to sit there and tie a knot, man, and trying to figure out how to do that. Once you know and master how to tie a knot, you could be looking at other things, freeing up brain space, man I would say the old timers on CFD says, how come you wear your boots down?

Jimmy Davis: All right, your boots. We used to wear the three-quarters. Right, the old three-quarters. Yeah, and he says, why would you be pulling them up You know, you're not pulling them up into the fire. And he says, yeah, I'll be pulling them up, but it gives me a chance to look at the building. Gives me the chance to look at where the fire is at, how many windows, where where are the stairways at. He's capturing all this information like a camera, like a high-speed camera. All right. with that. And it's the same thing as freeing up brain space, man. The mastery or the confidences only can be completed. And I and I After 30 years, man, I again I can't find a better reasoning. The value in being an advocate of training, man. Corley: Oh, I love it. I love it. You can't fool you. I I love when you said that. You can't fool me. I can see it. Input is output. Is it a job or a profession Jimmy Davis: Yeah, all right. I remember this, man, and this is a topic of of conversation. Somebody told me that the average age or it's starting to be on my department are guys that have under 10 years. All right. So all the old farts like myself, which will be retiring, and the guys that that have retired, man, and I'm going to pause there for a second, man. Just one second here. I want to say I was really blessed and honored to serve on a department with Rob Hoff, Bobby Hoff. Steve Chickarodis, you know, Chief Van Dorf, guys that were like mentors to me, man. And I'm saying, you know what, when I'm These are the guys that I I want to be like. Oh, Kevin Casey too from Bear Draft. My friend Kate Kevin. Hello, Kevin. he was the muscle guy in backdraft, right? Yeah. wonderful firemen. But he says you do you try to emulate yourself and you and you you put them on Like kind of that pedestal is because after X amount of time on the job, I'm gonna be like these guys. You know, so kudos to them on that for really grooming up because they got it but going back to my other question, not to confuse people, is that we have a newer generation of firemen. Guys that have 10 years, what do they like?

Jimmy Davis: They lack the experience. Okay. So if they lack the experience to go to fires, how do we fill that void? Cool. How do we fill it? Okay. I don't know if we're gonna whisper it, because I'll whisper it. Yeah, training is not punitive, folks. It's not punitive. All right. So getting back to that The kids with with less experience. It's our duty and it's an obligation for us too. And it goes again with the mantra too is make the job better than what it was. All right, make the job better. Right. And that would be your goal. And that leads into another thing that I'll talk about that. We have an obligation, responsibility to groom. to educate, to encourage, to also inspire the next generation of firefighters, man. We have to do that. And that's an obligation. Yeah, and and and especially and you're in an example too here too. Is this some of these kids again don't know what it again the topic of building construction what's a fascia board what's a soffit right what's the cockloft yes yeah and then they you get the laugh and he says are you serious and he says okay but It's our responsibility in that, but we need to rise up that next generation. And we've got to go to the responsibility falls

Corley: No, without a doubt. And to pass on that knowledge. Because, you know, I learned what a soft and a facial board were when I when I did a little bit of framing in one of my many jobs I had, you know, working construction. But that people don't work those no more. You know, the kids coming into the job don't work those no more. No knock on them. It's just they're not coming in with the knowledge that used to come in with. As rudimentary as mine was. Jimmy Davis: Yeah. And cheap off Corley would say this is a a blue-collar job. It involves a lot of your hands. All right, and you're going to get dirty. You're gonna get filthy, man. All right. Always has been. Always will be, man. It's a blue-collar job. Corley: Blue collar. Let me write it down. Gregory coming at you again. Gregory Van Ham, he says, in your opinion, what's one thing the fire service has gotten right over your career and what's one thing they got wrong? Jimmy Davis: Man, that's a great question, man. What have we got in right? I think what we got right maybe from the health and safety aspect. All right. When we look at, again, I want to say, you know, embracing emerging trends when it comes with technology All right, so I'm going to look at it from that angle as well. The ability to use computer-aided models to gather your pre-planning, to gather Man, and I saw this program that you pull up, right? And it shows you everything about the building. Yeah. And you scroll down, it tells you every gas shutoffs, water shut-offs, fire alarm. The whole intelligence is right there in front of your fingertips. So did fire service, yes, they jumped on that bandwagon when it was available and didn't discard it as nonsense. I think we really got that right. And then again with the health and safety in the improvement, even a lot of our protective gear. When I got on job, man, it was just those three-quarter boots And a jacket. Throw your jacket on, man. I thought that was like the coolest thing, man. You know, riding a fire truck with your jacket and writing on the back step or standing up. Oh, did I say that? But anyways, we've come a long way in that regard. Where are we and then that that second half, what are we not doing right?

Jimmy Davis: What are we not doing right? We are still haven't seen a significant change or reduction in line of duty deaths. All right. But today, fast forward to today and at this time, we know what the causes are. We know how firemen are dying. But that is just a steady pace. Corley, that never changes, man. Hunter plus guys are your 100 plus you you're it's consistent. I and I don't know how do we break that? Corley: No, no, and it's culturally ingrained, you know, because not it's not falling through roofs and getting getting caught in flash over events, although that does happen. But that is that is the the rarity in the line of duty deaths. It's not the norm. It's cardiovascular, it is, it is fitness. I mean, honestly, if we can just be straight up about it, it's our health. Our physical health and mental. I mean, we could even break into that and start talking about the whole other issue of suicide and things like that, mental health. Jimmy Davis: and and mention that and I heard that too is that more firemen will die by their own hands. And that's and then that's again something that we're maybe not catching. You know, one day they're there being a station supervisor, man. how do you pick up on these things? Remember I talked about the crystal ball, man. They don't sell it on Amazon, but I really wish I had one.

Corley: Yeah. No, without a doubt. Without a doubt. But at least having the conversation, talking about it out loud, we can at least move the needle hopefully in the in the direction and and not just sweep it under the rug and and pretend like it's not going on. So maybe it will have an impact. thank you for the question. Whoever kicked Oh Gregory. Gregory's been kicking them to throwing them at you. I'm saying. Oh, Luke Stevenson. Luke Stevenson. I thought he threw one at me, but I don't know. I gotta pull up Sam's Sam's doing his thing. I'm just not using I'm just not using it. do you think that recruitment targeting younger people Do you think that recruitment targeting younger people means we are missing out on the experience? I can't read either experience which older recruits bring in terms of practical skills, but also personnel personal skills Sorry, Luke, I struggled with your question. Have you seen a focus on younger hires or Well to answer Luke? Jimmy Davis: That's what your your pool is right now. You know, I you know, recently went to the senior citizen home looking to see if I can recruit anyone. I couldn't find anyone. All right. So the older generation of firemen were gone. What we're seeing now, Luke, is is is a newer generation. Those are the people that are signing up, taking the competitive test, and also joining the fire department. I think I talked about that too. It is what it is and it is what it's going to be. But it does not distract us from the mission again, it's preparing them. My experience is what I carry with me. My experience is what I have. And what I have is to offer that to the younger generation. to also stop the pause to explain things. And if it takes a little bit longer to explain things, you know what? I'm realize that I'm doing my job. And if I look at what is my job as a company officer, as a captain, or whatever that is, is it I always say two things, man. It's training them to educate them to equipment to equip them to do your job. But also, secondly, to that man is to keep them safe. And how do you keep them safe? You train with them.

Corley: I love the I love the mantra and it comes back full circle. It's the the answer, it's not rocket science. It really isn't. It's not a it's not some sort of mystery that's hard to unravel. Yeah, I love it. Jimmy Davis: You know what? You know, and if we look at that, and I think the fire service Again is is maybe we're making things very complex, you know, like throwing too much at people, firefighting I'm gonna put this. This is another saying that I have. The complexity of the job is the killer of simplicity, man. Operations must be simple to understand to capture 100% of the department. Not the 10 to 20% of the department, which is myself and the others listeners. All right. Our skill set or the knowledge base is probably greater. Why is that? Because we wanted to learn as much as we can about the job. But we need to capture the other 80 to 70 percent in this job as well. All right, so simplicity and process again. I'm gonna go to the systems, the process. How we do business. Everybody do it. Or is it the 10%er, man? You know, your journey is where you want to go, man. And there's no stopping you. Journey.

Corley: Just keep them coming, brother. Keep them coming. Michael Ramirez chiming in. He says, can you recall any aha moments that made you change your perspective on how serious our job is? Or a you never think it'll happen to you, call that changed you moving forward. Jimmy Davis: Man, that's a good one too. Ha ha moments. quite a bit of them. I want to tell you this, and this is my word of wisdom. It can happen to anyone at any given time, any given hour, every given, any given minute, where things are going to go south on you. I've escaped, you know, with with a couple bumps and bruises, couple transports to the hospital, you know, doing smoke. But to answer that and and and to look at that, man, it goes down. again to the issue and I would be complacency. If I had to point a figure at something, you're just letting your guard down There's a tendency, if you go to quite a bit of fires in that, man, guess what happens? You become overly confident. All right, what's gonna happen to me, man? You know, whatever I've been doing this for a long time. Come on, man. Take an ass and take it away. and that's when it slips in. So I don't know if I really answered your question on that, but over confidence, you you need to have a really safe level of confidence. Right. And I like that. Yeah, in in teaching me, it says, oh, what's an aggressive interior firefighting? It says, man. You got me on that one, but I'm going to tell you what it is from my perspective from Chicago. It's a second engine breathing down your neck. waiting for you to mistake to crawl over you in the first truck and second truck to start the primary search in everyone in a race. Tripping out, throwing garbage cans in front of each other to get the first ounce of water on the fire. Highly competitive. Fire ground. Is that aggressive? Yes. Because they all want to do the same thing. They want to get the searches started. They want to get the first application of water on fireman And they're breathing down your neck, man. I hope Jimmy makes a mistake.

Corley: Love it, man. I absolutely love that. pulling it up here. Thank you for the question, Michael. Man, there's so much we can go with. I'm I'm reading too many comments. I'm trying to find the next question. There's the comments, not questions. today's contemporary. Oh, let's talk. I want to get into a little bit of building construction. It's a dry subject. I know it. Not a popular subject, but a very important subject. I think fire behavior, building, construction, boom. That is the key ingredients that that lead to safe and effective fire ground operations So talking about today's contemporary apartment building, because you're in the what's the lengthy name of that study? Fire dynamics and firefighting tactics and multi-story residential structures. So let's talk for a minute about today's contemporary apartment building. Jimmy Davis: Yeah, yeah, and I'm gonna tell you what no city, no town, no village, no municipality is immune from these are these big apartment complexes that are going up. All right. These are what they're building right now. And I'm trying to, and I'm trying to do my best, but I do it, you know With the collaboration of others, man. You know, I can only get so much done. But we talked about networking and with other guys in the fire service, man. When you collaborate, you cover a lot of ground. But contemporary apartment buildings are aka known as your mid-rise buildings right now. So they're popping up in many jurisdictions or departments, man. That's their high-rise. This six or seven story building is, oh, it's a mid-rise. It's a high-rise to them too. So it's a contemporary. You're gonna see that. And this is probably strikes a chord with people, is that you have on the first floor a subway or a target or some type of commercial building or parking garage and then everything above that again is going to be residential where which I see is combustible units and they're all stacked neatly on top of each other And let's put as many people as we could in wood construction. And let's throw the curveball of lightweight assemblies.

Corley: Right, right. Jimmy Davis: All right. And here's my disclaimer, which I have to say that here. And probably my buddy James Johnson JJ, I call him. We can elaborate more on a different show. Trust construction or the building construction that they're using right now. Nothing beats it. Nothing. Right. Okay. You tend to shift the conversation as what is the performance of these engineered or lightweight assemblies during fire condition or fire assault. Right. That becomes the topic of conversation. When they build these these newer buildings or today's contemporary building, remember man, they don't plan about having a fire on that. You know, I don't sit at my house tonight planning that, well, I'm gonna have a fire in here. These are remote thoughts that you're never you're you're not gonna even entertain this about planning for fires. But architects and buildings, they don't, they will give you the the minimum code requirements, sprinkler systems with a 13R system, draft softing, maybe some firewall. They'll throw all this in, but again, there lightweight trusts, we need to be observant. And again, that's where awareness and knowledge really comes into play because you need to do, I think you said that, Corley. is that fire dynamics or fire behavior and building construction are married together or they're coupled together because you need to do to know both. You can't just know one. You need to know both. How is a fire going to react in the structure?

Corley: Yes. Jimmy Davis: Right? When it's going, when it's under fire assault. All right. There's a lot of good information, but there the fire service also has some misinformation. Corley: Sure. Jimmy Davis: And there's a lot of misinformation. Corley: A lot of fear-mongering, especially when it comes to the lightweight stuff. Jimmy Davis: Absolutely. And that too, and again, that the fast forward through social media too, which only did it advocates or or or spreads at that fear, you know, but under fire conditions, that's what we're concerned about. So we're going to try to study that angle. All right. And that is careful assessments of the building in in in careful size ups. But again, it's understanding your job, man. There's a lot more to this and then you know taking your promotional test. All right, you knowing what's going on in your department, man. All right, that's cool. I get it. But you got to understand, man, that the whole response that you're going to be doing Is outside of that realm, you need to know everything about EV vehicles. I'm talking about parking garage fires, high-rise fires, contemporary mid-rise fires, hazmat. Can I give you the list? There's 15,000 skills that a firefighter is accountable for. Did you know it? 15,000 skills.

Corley: I would not have, I mean, I know it's a lot. I would not have put 15k as the number. Jimmy Davis: And I heard that in a lecture from a guy. He says 15,000. I'm like, holy snap. you know, I'm trying to think one, two, three, you know. but Getting back to our topic again, that's going to be today's multi-dwelling building. That's what it is because it's cheaper to build with wood, it's cheaper. to build with lightweight materials. I can't remember. I think it's a quarter of the cost when you you start introducing steel or concrete into this. Oh wow. Wow. Yeah. So it's not going anywhere. Well I would do the same. You know, I mean you'd you reap the savings and You hope you don't get a fire in the place. Corley: No, I love it, man. I absolutely love it. man, there's so much. We're gonna have we're just gonna have to do another scrap because we got a whole lot more topics to talk about. So it'll be amazing. let's see. I'm looking here. Building construct, yeah, we got that. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Complexity issues, elevation and distance to cover. And then this is the thing, you you kind of touched on this a little bit like like Suburban fire department versus an urban, you know, filled with high-rises. The suburban fire department, man, the six-story, you know, La Quinta Inn or Quality Inn is there, is their high-rise, you know, or the or the the Apartment complex going in, that is their high rise. But talk to me about complexity issues, elevation and distance to cover.

Jimmy Davis: And I think you you you did you you nailed the two points wherever that is, is the complexity is again you're dealing with elevation. All right. So when I talk about a tall building, tall building is anytime this old man has got to climb upstairs. That's a tall building to me. Right. But by definition, four to seven stories in that. Yeah, it could be your high-rise. All right, but it it isn't a high rise, but it's a high rise to them. Right. If you start splitting years and talk and building definition The elevation throws guys off because we are, I would say, man, we are experts in single family dwelling. Anyone listening to this is if you tell me one fire you're really good at. It's going to be single-family dwellings. It's the most fires that we have. We get really good at that. We're very professional and we're highly effective in these fires. But when we start going up in elevation, stairs, all right, available options for hose deployment, we just don't know it And I learned this little saying from my buddy Clark Lamping. If you're listening and that, don't throw a tomato at me Every fire that you go to, all right, you store that information in a Rolodex. All right. Single family dwellings. You guys remember the old Rolodex? Oh yeah. Well doubt and that so I'm old enough too, but yeah. Me and Sam can't.

Corley: I don't know about everybody in here. Jimmy Davis: Yeah. So every part you go to, you store that information in there. What the problem is that we just don't have that in a Rolodex. And I get a lot of calls and a lot of emails about these buildings because they're complex for them. Do I treat it like a high-rise? They don't have the stuff in the Rolodex. Do I treat it like a garden apartment? How do I treat it, man? Right. You know, I did we just don't have the experience or the knowledge. So elevation is one aspect of these mid-rise buildings. They says four to seven stories. How do I get the host? Oh. All right. Now to cover the stretch. So we call these buildings if they're very long and you've probably seen them and the audience is probably familiar at least have one or two in their jurisdiction they're just huge they cover like a block by a block man you know How do you deploy hoses to that? How do you deploy resources? How do you find the fire? Locate the fire is it everything hinges off of that? So a lot of the answers depends, but there are some deployment models, and I know that I've had the honor and the luxury to be teaching the hands-on portion with these mid-rises. with Steve Robertson, Todd, Anthony, Raymond Quermick, Brent Brooks, Clark Lamping, Marty Rapes. All the guys that really want to just dial into that because we understand the complexities and we hear you, man, because this is this is the fire that's really going to get you off your game. It's not a single family dwelling So overcoming elevation, we're overcoming distance. And a lot of the holes bundles or holes packages, it may be 100 feet, or they're grabbing a preconnect, hoping there's a a well to stretch up That's again the importance of we talked about training. We can beat this to the to the death, but I'm going to tell you you're not going to find any truer statement. The second thing is that we got to get into these buildings. When a building is on fire, especially mid-rise or high-rise building, man, that should not be the first time you burn that building when it's burning down. So pre-plan, is it used? Are we doing it? He says, remember Corey, that's a that's a stock or can response, man.

Jimmy Davis: What do we do? Oh, we safe and we pre-plan, but what are we really planning? Are we doing it? Right. Are we actively doing that? Corley: No, I love the questions. The mindset questions you've asked all night long. If you get nothing else out of this scrap than the mindset questions of challenging Your priorities when it comes to where you're spending your time on duty, man, I'm telling you, it's that that's the gold right there. Jimmy Davis: Amen, brother. Corley: I love it. I absolutely love the conversation. so this takes me to one of my favorite questions I love to ask, which is book or books that you think firefighters should be reading. I love that I love to read, so I'm always looking for new books, but one of my favorite questions. Meant to get McGinn's hold on before I do the books because I wanted to get McGinn's question in here. I love this one. Andrew McGinn had one for you and I've I missed it. He said he asked, when or how did you realize you had influence in the firehouse? And how did that change your tactics Jimmy Davis: Influence. The influence starts with the company officer, man. Alright. The company officer man is the driving force. The company officer sets the tempo, dictates pace. My department is very large, and I'm sure this strikes again accord with others There is no other department out there. Let's say I work for the Timbuktu fire department. We have 200 firehouses. It really doesn't matter if there's 200. There's only one firehouse. And that one firehouse is yours. And it's important again to share your vision and it's a shared vision of the manifestation. of the benefits of of of being a core value of the company so that everyone buys into that if you have a a five-man engine company man If you can share your vision with them, the importance, everything we talked about, the importance of extinguishment culture. the importance of your training, the importance of everything that is the driving force of the fire department is at the company level. And I can't find that anywhere else, man, or somebody with a Gantt argument, but it took me that long. You control your own destiny. The company officer has that huge influence again to groom to be able to inspire, to be able to support them.

Jimmy Davis: Right, so that we can maximize again the newer generation of firefighters. But they need to buy into that. What I learned about training is that after you do it, Let's say a couple weeks, it becomes normal place. And if you skip a day of practice, practice, man. Right? If you skip a day, they're asking you. Hey Cap, what's wrong? You feeling alright? How come we're not training? Right. You've already you've already planted the seed. Just water and it will grow. Corley: Hmm. I love it chief. I love it cap. I do. I almost called you chief there. I was like, I love it, Chief. I promoted you right here on the scrap. Absolutely. So okay, I cut you off. Great answer to McGinn's question. Thank you, Andrew. I saw that question. I wanted to ask it. Sam had it up here. Then I I I Anyway, thank you for it. All right, on the books, back where we were before I interrupted. It was worth the interrupt, though. Go for it. Jimmy Davis: check this out, man. I gotta show this to the viewers. I don't know if you see the the glare. I do have to All right, I gotta put this one in here. This is a book that you must get in your hands. All right. A lot of the guys that I know were were contributors to this. This is like a mosaic, man. You know, like a mosaic masterpiece. And if you really get into the core and the soul of it, this book will mark you, man. You can take one chapter a day. Right, and use it at the company level. And if you do that every day, think of where you're going to be once the book is covered. When you know your knowledge and put those skills to use on a daily basis, man. Talk about a really fine truck company, but also some useful engine company information as well. I would recommend this. Corley, this is a a brilliant idea. And I hope to see more down the road because if I think about this, it's pretty cool to have multiple authors because you get a different perspective on everything. But the ex the perspective is coming from other viewpointed experience. And it's experience-based. So it's a mix and match. It's like a gulash, man. You know, for For search and rescue.

Jimmy Davis: A little bit of this, a little bit of that, a little salt, little pepper. I'm gonna go on a little bit further here. There's a couple great books that I use. Anything from John Norman. All right. John Norman, a friend of mine as well. I hold him to high esteem as a mentor. I do want to talk about fire ground strategies from Chief Turpak, Mike Turpek out of New Jersey City Also a friend of mine, also a mentor through the many years. Corley: Great dude. Jimmy Davis: Yes, he is. Those books are available. Chief Anthony Avello is another one. Fireground strategies. Corley: His new his new editions getting ready to come out. Yes. Yeah he's coming on here in a month or two. I don't quote me on the time, but I'll in fact I'll tell you just to just to tie it in. Jimmy Davis: And I love his cover. It's like Gabby Rowe. They're walking down the street. Did you you see the cover for that? Corley: But that that's definitely Oh yeah, he did the Beatles, the Beatles tribute. Yeah. Jimmy Davis: Yeah. And I can't show you my library here, but I would get in your your hands here too is that I think the greatest influencer and there's many man but when we look at who has created the deepest impact or the farthest impact is is Chief Vinny Dunn. In the fire service. Yeah, and that's I would get anything on that his hands. I have all these books again or in my bookshelf and that. I surprise I haven't had a building collapse, but I operate out of the basement, man.

Corley: Right on. I love it. I love hearing about the books, which takes us. Let me get my notes back up. I just enjoyed hearing the I just I've just enjoyed the scrap tonight, man. This has been amazing. There we go. Right here. Five questions for firefighters. This is the first time you've been subjected to five questions. There are no wrong answers. There are just your opinions. So all the questions are right. They're just your opinions. And then of course I pass out the points with the help of the audience. So are you ready for the Five Questions for Firefighters version 4. 0? See. There we go. I wouldn't do it in Spanish, but my Spanish is is is pathetically broken at best. All right, number one, you're the proby once more, and you have to cook the meal at the firehouse. What is your go-to meal? Jimmy Davis: Ladies and gentlemen, my response is this. The sloppy joes, quick and easy. It's a belly buster with the jardine here, the melted cheese, but on an open-faced piece of garlic bread. Corley: Oh nice. Throwing the little Italian twist on it. Jimmy Davis: Oh, it's a killer, man. It's a belly buster instead of a belly robber, man. Okay. Okay. Quick and easy, and it's going to fill you up, man.

Corley: That would be my go too. I love it. And it's hard it is it is kind of hard to mess up, I would, I will say It seems like that's one of those safer bets if you're the proby and you don't want to mess something up. Jimmy Davis: Yeah, you don't want to go to a five-star gourmet meal yet. You know, you gotta work yourself up, man, you know Corley: Okay, I'm waiting to see. I'm waiting to see. Derek It said sloppy Joes for the win. Cody Brooks says max points. I will give the sloppy Joes the max points for the opening question, which takes us to number two. It's job town. It's time. You gotta think of the scene. This is I think yeah, I don't know if I've asked this question of anybody from Chicago, but you gotta think of the scene from backdraft where he's slapping that cassette deck or cassette tape into that deck. And what song are you playing while in route? Jimmy Davis: The opening of the Whose Eminence Front because we're only going to hear the opening because the time we get to show up on the scene and arrive and go to work. You'll never be able to hear the whole song, man. We're there in two minutes.

Corley: I love it. Jimmy Davis: That's like the coolest intro, man, with the organ and it just how they arrange that. That's like the coolest intro. Corley: Yeah. Jimmy Davis: But I wish we had time, but we don't have time to listen to the whole song. We're there in two minutes, man. Corley: Yeah, you got to fire out before the song's wrapped up. Jimmy Davis: yeah. But hopefully it's still playing. Or Peter Frampton for 13 minutes, the time we get it in there and throw our bottles in there, it will still be paying. Do you feel the way we do? Peter Frampton, folks. But the who would be number one. Corley: There we go. And that is I Sam can confirm. I think the first time the Who has been. Yeah, Sam confirms. First time the Who has been on the list. And there is a Spotify list. that that is being curated every time a guest makes a suggestion, it gets added to the scrap playlist. And it is a very diverse song list. Jimmy Davis: So remember that. Do do do do Do do do good ref man. Corley: I have to go and listen to the whole opening. Yeah. Max points for sure from Sam. Sam loves the Who. And McGinn said, Sam, you better be jamming that in the after party. The song was Eminence Front by the Who. Max points, by the way. Two for two, max points, which takes us to number three. Who's Boots? Past, present, or future, wherever you want to go, whose boots would you love to spend 24 hours in?

Jimmy Davis: I would like the time machine to go back into the 1950s, and I'm talking strictly in the fire service. I would love to hang out with Robert Quinn, the commissioner from the 1950s. What an innovative mind, what an innovative fire department Chicago was. The whole world would come to the CFD looking for answers and equipment. The Quinn. He was the commissioner. And I would love to go back in time so that I can steal all his ideas Corley: Love it. Jimmy Davis: I mean and then bring it back. But he was the inventor of the snorkel, all right, which we still use today in the fire service, man. and among other things too, man. We were on We were on the cutting edge of every technology with Chicago Fire Department, man. Corley: That's awesome. Jimmy Davis: We made our own crap. We had our own foundry, our own blacksmith, our own iron workers. those days are long gone, but the 50 was was really a great turning point for this great department. Corley: That's awesome. I love it. I love it. Easy max points. And Ed Klaske said, wow, way to go with Quinn with six exclamation points. So absolutely love it. Three for three, no pressure. No pressure, but three for three, max points. Number four, you are now retired, sitting on the beach, enjoying Mai Ties. Who do you want, no, what do you want to hear through the grapevine? That the people you used to work with, how do they describe you to the new hires? How do they talk about the old retired guy, Jimmy Davis?

Jimmy Davis: Jimmy Davis was a great fireman. Now Jimmy Davis was a man he was a good dude or a good Jimmy Davis was a good fireman who taught me a lot Corley: Hmm, that's hard to beat, man. That is hard to beat. Four for four. Easy max. Easy max. And the final question. I always wonder what's going to be said, especially since you're on Engine Company 43 and you've been in some busy areas, but I always wonder what the answer will be. But it's heavy fire. Heavy fire, searchable space. Would you rather be assigned to the nozzle or first in on VES? Jimmy Davis: It's easy. I'm from an engine. We're on the pipe. The pipe is the nozzle. There's no deviation from that. And remember, a well-placed line, flowing water Protecting means of egress is the safest way to save lives, man. Put the fire out in conjunction and combined with searches, man. Corley: I love it. Easy max, easiest, easiest max points ever. Jimmy Davis: Yeah, it was easy, man. Yeah. Corley: Five for five. Max points. There's no wrong answers. I just love hearing the reasons why. I love it. There you go. Five for five. The five questions for firefighters, according to Captain Jimmy Davis. And that officially puts 286 scraps in the books. My brother, thank you for sharing your evening with us. If someone wants to get a hold of you, ask more questions, book a class, do whatever, what's the best way to do so?

Jimmy Davis: Probably the best way, because I don't have my little screen here with my email, man. I'm here to serve you and others. So you can probably find me on the Facebook page Or in some of my classes, I give out more information in that. If you're looking for information on tall buildings, high-rise, mid-rise, or just anything in general, man. just feel free to reach out, man. That's with the fire service, and that's why I'm here and the others that are on this show, man. Believe it or not, I learned a lot of things from questions. And from other students that I just didn't see. Again, remember, I'm at a different lens. I'm seeing it from Chicago, man. Right? Where I realized the rest of the world operates three-man companies. I'm like, what? Are you serious? You know, so it gives me an opportunity. So the blessing, the real blessing behind it is being in a position to be of help and be of service to people. out there. Our firemen are brothers and sisters, man. Corley: I love it. I absolutely love it. Well I can't say it enough. Thank you for A coming on. We're gonna have to do it again. In fact I I'm planning to get you Clark and Brooksy together and and doing something and that'll be a lot of fun. I don't know when we'll do it, but we'll talk about it. All that being said, I always like to ask this a challenge. This is a brand new thing. We just started doing this in 2025, but it is the scrap challenge. And I ask the guests to give a challenge to the audience members that listen to the podcast, that are listening live now, and they'll listen to the recording. Give them a challenge that they can complete before the next show. What is the scrap challenge you would like to challenge the listeners with?

Jimmy Davis: Take a line of duty death, investigate it, spark conversation and dialogue. Harvest all the information and train for that day if it was going to happen to you. That's your challenge. Corley: Woof. Put them to work. I love it. And it's all and and it and guess what it tied back to? Training. Jimmy Davis: Everything does. It runs full circle, man. You know, it it just it is what it is, man. And it's words at. you know, for a close professional athletes train, all right, train for hours per day. Every single day, even on the off season. I'm just telling you as firefighters, give me 30 to 45 minutes of your time for training, man. I'm not asking a lot. But if you develop a culture that embraces training, you'll get the buy-in. Those guys, next thing you know, they've been training for the next hour and a half, barring any calls, man. Because they're into it. And when they get a fire, all right, they see the fruits of the goods, all right, of their performance. Your Your performance level at a fire is proportionate to your level of preparation. Corley: I gotta run out of time. I gotta I'm running out of timestamp room here. Alright. I love it. the last question I'll ask you At least on the show here is someone that needs to be on the scrap. I and I I you have a huge network, so I'm almost try I almost I scared to ask the question of you, but who do you think needs to be on the scrap or or needs to come back on the scrap?

Jimmy Davis: I know when we open in there too, is it I think we said the JJ James Johnson. Corley: JJ James. Jimmy Davis: I know we talked about remember the lot of the misinformation in the fire service when it comes to building construction But it's a twofold one too. Is that you have a newer generation of firefighters that are not really understanding or get the gist of how buildings are put together, but how these buildings react under the fire conditions. Right on So they would be I have a whole list on that too. Yeah, yeah. But he would be that because man, it's important. Bullet construction is is primo, man. Corley: Oh, bro. Dude, if you don't understand building construction, you cannot predict fire behavior in a in a building fire. Plain and simple. I mean it's that simple. you I mean you can predict that it's gonna go up and and find its way out, but that's about all you're gonna predict. That takes us to housekeeping. Yeah, I'll I'll figure it out here. Captain Davis has got me discombobulated. go go to patreon. com slash the vigilantes. I'm telling you, man, the Discord is popping. It is the funnest. Is that a word? It is the most fun I've had with the Vigilante since we got the Discord up and running. There are conversations every day in there, and it's all like-minded souls talking about fire stuff. In fact, we just Promoted, I don't know the ignited, two people to be the lore masters who are collecting files just to share. And it's a lot of fun one of the cool parts about being a vigilante is you get to go to the after party where we get to roast the guest. We're going to roast Captain Jimmy Davis here in just a few minutes, and you can be a part of that. And the other thing, which I just announced the last couple days, is we're doing a V50. I I've been wanting to do another V50 with everybody, but I always I've done like five of these now, six of them, but I always Forget to announce it and then there's no time for people to become part of it. So I'm announcing it early, February 16th, two weeks. Two weeks, and I'm gonna be doing a V50. So if you want to be a part of it, conquer yourself, and you want to be part of that 50-day challenge I timed it off February 16th because that is exactly 50 days before FDIC.

Corley: So it will end the day before FDIC. So if you want to be a part, go to patreon. com slash the vigilantes so you can be in the Discord channels and talk and all that stuff. Okay, enough prattling for me. Next week I'm heading to Louisiana for lift. So next week's scrap is this Saturday night. So you only have four or five days to get your line of duty scrap challenge in. So get your scrap challenge in because Saturday is none other than Mark Davidson, and you'll know we'll be talking a lot about you're going to get an awesome dose of leadership. All right. Enough jabbering from me. We will get to the after party. Jimmy Davis, thank you so much for coming on and spending your evening with Me and the audience. Jimmy Davis: Yeah. Amen, man. I want to extend my gratitude to everybody listening and in other shows too, man. We're in it together. We're one team. Corley: Hmm. I love it, but dude, I'm telling you, I've enjoyed listen I I've I've really dropped the ball as the host because I've enjoyed listening so much tonight. And so everybody put up with me. Thank you Audience, you make the scrap magical each and every week. You show up and ask great questions and you keep the show going. I can never thank you enough. Thanks for showing up week in and week out. remember, mutts don't scrap I hope the tones stay silent unless it is burning. Everybody, stay safe out there.