Weekly Scrap #203 - DJ Stone, adapting to what works.

Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. Corley: If you go, more fire. House Vigilance. It is weekly scrap number 203. My guest tonight is none other Then DJ Stone, aka the other brother, he has been in the emergency services for 24 years, 22 at the city of Fort Walton Beach. Fire Department. He recently accepted a brand new position as a training chief at South Walton Fire District. Second generation firefighter. Stone has spent a career working everything from dense suburban to ultra-rural. He teaches, he instructs He and his brother teach the program Anatomy of the Rescue at FDIC. He has recently revamped the program to single-person presentation called the Grab Analysis. A class evaluating several video captured grabs in the 850 area code of Florida. DJ also co-manages with his brother the Facebook training page 850 Fireman. A training page that promotes fire culture in the panhandle of Florida and the Southeast. Family Man, God-serving man, and a fireman. DJ Stone, it is my honor and pleasure to have you on as the guest of Weekly Scrap Number 203, welcome my brother. DJ Stone: Thank you very much for a nobody suburban guy from nowhere after Curtin Lombardo. Hey, congratulations. By the way, yeah, guys, two legends, man. Two icons in the business. I'm stoked to be here. Yes, exactly. That's right

Corley: is there anything other brother? Anything I missed in the introduction? DJ Stone: No, man. Just a lot going on in life right now. Nothing in the introduction you missed. I'm sure we'll catch up on a few of the details here shortly, but Yeah, it's perfect. It's been a bit of a whirlwind these last three weeks for sure. Corley: Now technically you were you are not a this is not your first time on the scrap because you were on at North Florida Fire Expo DJ Stone: A few years ago. Yes. I think that was the first time we met. Me, you, Nick, and then another panel of of people. That was I think maybe the infancy days of the student. Corley: Very early. Very early. DJ Stone: Yes. Corley: So you are an OG, technically you're an OG. Although you've never been a single guest. So this is your first single guest. I love it. DJ Stone: I appreciate it. Corley: Kyle is in the chat. So everybody, if you're out there, get your questions primed and ready for DJ. Throw them at Kyle. He will find the best questions. He will throw them at us and we will get them to DJ and we will get them answered. So do not be afraid to throw your questions out there. If you want to be a part of the vigilantes, man, the vigilantes are the people that decide the direction of the scrap So it's the Cool Kids Club. That's what I call it. Go to firehousevigilance. com and sign up so you can be a part of it. The one thing we're doing lately is the after party. When the scrap is over. We invite the guests. So far none of them have refused, so no pressure. But they get to come and hang out for 20 minutes. It says 20 minute after party, and then we kind of critique your scrap and talk to you about it. So anyway, you'll be invited at the end. That's that. Last week's, yeah, okay, so there we go. On to the sponsors, the OG sponsor of the scrap, key hose. I already saw Joey Hayes in here talking and commenting. So the OG sponsor of the scrap Keyhose, check them out online at Kehose. com. Follow them on Facebook. Affordable drill towers. Home of the affordable drill tower and the affordable standpipe prop. Firefighter owned and operated pump and roll using the affordable standpipe prop.

Corley: The affordable standpipe prop, it fits through most classroom doorways for standpipe theory, and then you could roll it into the parking lot and pump it. comes with six standpipe valves that can be upgraded to PRVs or customized to what you have in your jurisdiction. Call Steve 844-55 Tower or drop an email to info at affordable drilltowers. com And then my man, also out of Florida now, relocated to Florida. First line fire service training, Dennis Riley. It is veteran-owned and operated. First line fire service training There you go. DJ Stone: I like that. Corley: That goes right with it, man. I lost my place. Find them on Facebook. First line fire service training. That was beautiful. He has been around the block, he is the shark out there swimming, ready to get dinner. So absolutely, and I love Flame Decon always Get yourself some black soap. Get rid of the carcinogens. Decon effectively, man. Get some badass soap at flamedecon. com. So there we go. One thing I wanted to throw in before we technically got to it, I don't know if you know a person named Jim Allen, but he contacted me today and he said DJ Stone, he DJ Stone is a good friend of mine I would greatly appreciate it if tonight on the show you would tell him how much of a mentor he is. Also, if my kids grew up to enter the fire service and they were half the firemen that he is, I'd be extremely thankful And finally says the same goes for them growing up to be the type of human being he is. So I wanted to say that to you because when people go out of their way to do that kind of thing, it really means a lot to me and to the guests. So I would say, yeah

DJ Stone: That's very generous. Jim Allen, for those that don't know, is one of the many, many veteran fire officers of Scambe County, Florida. Which hands down, it's well known, Kurt being the representative for this, they they go to more jobs than anyone from probably The Florida State Line to Jacksonville, no doubt. He's one of the best. Jim is just an outstanding person and a great friend And I really do appreciate that. And for the record, I do want to say that my name is DJ Stone. And I too like to go to trailer fires. That's Jim's saying, by the way. And I I echo that every day because we go to a lot of trailer fires here in the paint. in Old Florida. Corley: Love it. I love it. Okay. I'm gonna read you a few comments before we get going. Just to just to get the audience. Josh Vargason said, where's the stash? Four X four question marks. James Michelisco said, freaking amp, truck work is my jam. Shannon Stone says, hell yeah, that's my little bro. Great thing to watch while packing. Let's go from Aaron Olson. I'm glad we can be there for you while you're packing. There we go. Excuse me. All right. All right. There's questions coming in. Questions coming in. But I'm going to kick it off with, do you want, I'll I'll throw it to you. I have this is the most comprehensive list of topics to talk about I've ever received. I would say I've had done 202 scraps before this point, and it is a comprehensive list. It's the longest list I've ever compiled. And it's awesome. I love it. I love it. I think we're going to get to like three of them because that's typically the way the scrap goes. So what I want to ask you first is do you want to start with the first topic you sent me or do you want to start with your first audience question? It's dealer's choice.

DJ Stone: I mean we could just start with the topic I sent you if if you want, which Pull pull from the pile. So I too, like a lot of the other listeners out here, I watch a lot of your podcasts. And one of the questions I ask myself is why are you asking me to come talk about something someone else has probably talked about? So I sent you that list in hopes that maybe it's brushing up against something that hasn't already been talked about or talked through at this point particular point in 200 plus episode history. Corley: And and I'll say this, I'll say this because it's crazy. And I I think I texted you something along this line says every single guest says something along the same line It blows my mind the humility of of the people, you know, that that that come on because Every one of them, I don't care who it is, says, man, why would anybody want to hear what I have to say? And and it it it it really does because it's awesome. That's why that that that hype video we just played explains why it's awesome but absolutely. So tactical. We'll start with tactical. I'll start at the top of the list. Tactical. Masked, masking up or masked up. What did you mean by that topic? And I'll let you deep dive as much as you want to go

DJ Stone: I I don't know that it's a deep dive as much as it is just an an opinion and an epiphany since I would say that that call. I mean I could say throughout my career it's forming an opinion, but It really came to light when I went over to Texas to share my program, specifically in the Houston area. I think we can agree it's kind of been a trend in the fire service. along with search, just being ready to turn out quickly, ready to go on air quickly. And the one thing I do critique by the way, the grab analysis is based off my experience and a few other calls. Critiquing myself, my mask-up time was absolutely horrendous. It just really is. It's embarrassing, but you don't know what you don't know, right? and sometimes you you You don't think it's going to happen to you. And since then, it's not it's not a matter of if it's when the intense call in whatever form is going to happen It may not be a you know a grab that's captured on video. You know, maybe it's a a medical call, an intense medical call and you're a paramedic firefighter or a pin job or something along those lines. So with all that being said, I noted the the terrible time that I'd and I thought at the time man that was a pretty good mascot it really was not a good mascot so in light of that digging a little deeper into that topic And at my previous job, I was a battalion chief for the last three years. I challenged my company after it's actually a call that's included in this new program. So if I teach it, all you guys out there and girls Come check it out. It's a call that happened here in Navarre, Florida, where it's intense, intense. And a guy basically made a grab of a toddler in eight seconds. Eight seconds. And so the point of sharing that story is to say that regionally right here in Navarre, Florida, and in Midway where my brother works as the operations assistant chief there, they had been regionally working on their mascot times. right before this call happened. And their mask up goals, if I remember correctly, around the 20-second mark or better. His department average, I believe, is around 15 seconds Which is pretty great, you know, for a department average.

DJ Stone: For an average, and so yeah, yeah, that inspired me to come back to my department and and see what I could do with that. And it just challenged me personally that I need to mask up faster, right? Fast forward to kind of working through that the last year or so in my job and then going out to Texas to share the program. And I had epiphany because I went to like with woodlands, which is like spring woodlands, all suburb. Houston, there's a lot of Houston guys that work those departments, not woodlands, but spring part-time, et cetera. John Nanaga being one of them. And They told me basically I was talked about mascot times. We need to get quicker, blah, blah, blah. This is something you can work on yourself. Every single day when you come in, this is your responsibility to be good at it as a firefighter. No one needs to to prompt you to do that And they basically said, man, that's not a problem with us. We're massed up in the rig before we get off the truck. And I know my whole career there's been this debate of masking up or not masking up. And I've come to the conclusion, in the great words of John Norman, it depends. It depends. You know, you ask him things, he says, well, you know what, it depends. One of the smartest minds in the business, he says it depends. So it resonated with me and I said, okay, well, it depends. Well, the question that I ask a lot of times when it comes to change is sometimes we don't need to ask why, we need to ask why not. So in relation to this, hypothetical, my call, I'm turning out, it's 1. 30 in the morning. I have a confirmed entrapment. I know I have a working fire, and I know I'm going to be first dude. I know it before I don't have to see it. So the question to myself is, why not? Why would I not go ahead and get my mask on? Why would I not go ahead and get ready to do the one thing? Because frankly, it's really simple. The business ain't simple, but the initial action should be simple. We're doing one of two things. We're going for rescue or we're going to extinguish rent.

DJ Stone: Both of them, you need to be on air. So in relation to that sort of thought process, you know. My question now is why wouldn't we do that? If if we are hitting this for them mantra, right, the fire service is big for them, for them, for them on every level, well, how much more for them when we come off the truck ready to go to work? I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying that's the conclusion that I've came to in my career. And I think I think the payoff is getting to work faster. getting to assignment faster. Now you come second or third do, you know, and you're, you know, it it and or you don't have intel. Really, a lot of things that we do on this job. Masking up being one of them is intel driven. The fire service, and I say this in my presentation, you and my brother talk about this all the time. Which my brother's one of my biggest mentors, by the way. I love you, bro. I I am not who I am without my brother. So he he is one of the biggest. Corley: I mean that. So

DJ Stone: For for sure. He he's and we'll talk about that a little bit later, but he's helped me avoid a lot of pitfalls, a lot in my job. So of course we have discussions often about tactics and strategies and etc and we agreed that the fire service really wants a black and white answer especially the lesser experienced suburban fire service or newer organizations looking to grow, they're like, man, just give me that answer. Man, give me that one thing that I could take that can apply every time so I could take more thought process out of it. And the reality is we don't work in a black and white service. When it comes to most emergencies, we're blending the two. It's a, it depends. It's a it's it's well if this then that. So I like to say we have to be experts in the gray. Some things we could be black. Some things we can be white, but really the strive throughout a career is to be adaptable enough to operate at maximum capacity in the gray areas of the job. Speaker 4: I love it. DJ Stone: So in light of all that rounding back to the mask thing, you know, why wouldn't you be masked up now? In light of that. You know you have a working job. You turn the block. Hey, I see a header. And here's the thing I always ask people, do you mask up at a car fire? You know what they say? Of course we do. Okay, so what's different about a house fire? And then all of a sudden these excuses come out. I'm not saying they're wrong. What I'm saying is you have Limited scope of things you're gonna do. You're gonna put the fire out. We're gonna initiate search. It's not rocket science. Don't overcomplicate things. If you get off and you're limited staffing, the best thing we could do is stretch a line, get to the door, and either get inside or get to the closest point. where fire is showing to kind of buy us some time to get inside and to finish our job. So in light of all that, it's a long answer to a short question. I'm a huge advocate now of masking up. And when I have friends that work in Houston Fire, that work in departments and stations that go to way more fires than I ever do and they're advocating for it, I tend to listen to those people

Corley: Right. DJ Stone: You know, I've spent a career and I've been super lucky to one live where I'm at. The 850 is a kind of a unique area, 85 850 meaning like from Pensacola to Tallahassee. And then having Kurt Isaacson in the backyard and then all the people and the mines he brings right here to my backyard and then being actual friends with Kurt. growing up with Kurt, helping Kurt and getting to be able to be mentored by these people, which most of them probably don't even know they mentor me. But you know how it is. No, absolutely spent a career of of kind of going after the this information And so that's a huge benefit to us to listen to these guys who do a lot of it. And for me, I'm very lucky to have a lot of really good friends in the Scambie County Fire Department. You know, and I'm I'm I'm proud to say that the that is probably hands down produced some of the best officers that I've worked with. I did a couple years part-time over there. I had the pleasure of working with people like Jim Allen, like Joel Richardson, like Scott Averill, like Kurt Isaacson, you know, Adam Bobe, a lot of these veteran guys, man. And so what that veteran thing comes from is it's called experience. So where I may not get it, I affiliate and I listen. So when these dudes say, hey, you should think about this, I really think about it. Some I apply, maybe some I don't. But this one. To me, depending on the intel coming in, it's kind of a no-brainer, isn't it?

Corley: Well, I will say that this is this is the one thing because I always struggle with this one because you know I've seen I've seen you know the people Kyle, of course, is is here grabbing the questions and he comes off the rig, you know, with the mask-up time, zero seconds. You know what I'm saying? And it's right. And it's awesome. Don't get me wrong. But one thing I always struggled with because I didn't understand it is I'm like, how How the hell do these people see? Because, and I realized it really does come down to sometimes equipment dependent because one thing Kyle even said in the chat here, someone asked a question, doesn't it garble your communication And and Kyle said, no, you got a giant hole in your mask. And that's when I realized the difference. I I wear a survivor. And I will say for straight up, it's a piece of garbage And I'll say that over and over and over. DJ Stone: But the pack light, so that's cool. Corley: For what it's worth. But you absolutely, if you come off with the map, you get like three rests with it and it's fogged up, period. I don't care how much dish soak you put on it. Because You're lucky if the exhaust valves work on it. But not the point. It really is, because I always struggle with that because it makes so much sense. But with the equipment we have Man, it's not an option if there's gonna be if you're gonna be trying to breathe for any length of time before clicking in.

DJ Stone: Sure. I'm not saying that I don't know. Corley: Some people do struggle with why can't we do that? Yeah, yeah. But DJ Stone: And I'm not some veteran guy trying to tell you like this is the thing that works, but it depends, right? It depends. What's your intel? Yeah, what what what is your intel? What urgency is there to accomplish whatever the task is and doesn't include air? And frankly, the next question you would ask yourself is, well, am I burning that much air from the rig door to the front door? Oh, I haven't forgot about the 360. I get it. We gotta do a 360. More like a three-sided look, probably in most people's cases. And that 360 even depends on where you work. I'm in the South, ranch homes is, you know, job de jour, man, like ranch homes and trailers. That's what we do. Now the new district I'm working in, I could be attached. onto a trailer fire or I could be attached to a house on the beach that's 10,000 square foot and $20 million. So it's a huge variety and I understand that. That's why we have to be adaptable. We have to be able to read the situation and apply our experiences and training to whatever we encounter. Hopefully make the right decision.

Corley: No, I love it. I love it. All right. First question coming at you from the audience. I got three to choose from right here that kind of I'm going to go with Jim Allen because I like it because it kind of segues off what we're just talking about. Please ask DJ the following. Was there any doctrine that you had always followed? that you realized was ineffective and you changed due to what you learned after the grabs you have made. DJ Stone: A lot of doctrines, I think, when we come in. And I would say doctrines or beliefs. So let me premise what I'm gonna say with this. And I don't feel like I've been on the business like on the job long at all. Corley: I don't know if you feel that way, Corley, but I feel like a young man I'm like I just I'm not an old guy. I'm so young right now. DJ Stone: Yeah, I know, but looking back I'll say this, the internet has changed everything. So when I came on, not that it was that long ago, but it seems like it was yesterday, the information I had in my hands was VHS tapes. DVDs, magazines, and senior man advice, woman, whatever, firefighter, right? Senior member. And a lot of that senior member advice was based off of their experiences And I would say let's say one of them is you know, you don't open the nozzle until you get to see the fire.

Corley: Right. DJ Stone: Well, has that not drastically changed in the last 10 years because of what we know? And the NIST studies and all that stuff, the UL work has been tremendous on how we approach jobs and it's really challenged a lot of philosophies And it's validated a lot of philosophies, as you know, Ray McCormick has also demonstrated when we first went to the hit a hard from the yard always to He was one of the people over here saying, well, whoa, hold on a second. You studied one side, let's look at the other. Now it's validated, right? The science is kind of leveling the game out. So with all that being said. I think one of them was one of those, you know, don't don't put water on smoke things. Corley: Right. DJ Stone: The early on in my career. Corley: Don't flow, don't flow, you'll steam burn everything. That's right DJ Stone: Yeah. That's right. It was just just it's simply not true, you know. well I guess it is if you're a fog nozzle guy on 35 fog fight pattern or whatever they call it. If you're a power cone guy, yeah, maybe maybe you're gonna get hurt, but But the point is like that that's something that has certainly changed, you know. I think the power, and this is something like Kurt and my brother have really just what's the word like they've really instilled a confidence in the nozzle that we carry in the flows that were flowing so I've been very lucky to come into an organization that we paid attention to that very early on. I never had to battle 35 fog pattern, have to battle any of that. My whole career has been straight streaming solid board. So in light of that Both of those have been starting off at the 180 to 200 GPM range on a hand line, back down to 160 manageable hand line. Point is all I would say. I understand the power of the nozzle and depending on the situation, my general rule, three to four windows of fire, it's a handline all day long. You know, you're not pulling the two and a half unless it's something really large. Large is a relative term to a lot of people. All that to say that understanding that power of the nozzle. . has increased my confidence, even though my department that I worked in over the last few years and the one I'm going to is not running fires every day.

DJ Stone: But you know what? Do we need to run? I'm I'll ask you. Do we need to run fires every day to know this and to be confident in the tools that we're given? As long as they are spec'd out the correct way. Corley: Right? Right, right. No, no, no. You you nailed it. DJ Stone: Two inch or three quarter Key hose, there you go, Joey, combined with a you know Elkhart 7-8, 1516 if you're one of the Texas guys, whatever the case is, be confident in that thing that we're bringing to the door. And knowing that, hey, like Kurt says, to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong in the comments, to my knowledge, no one has died on the end of a working nozzle at this point That's documented. Not burn through. Just I'm working the nozzle and I'm overcome by the fire. So that that should be something that, regardless of our experiences on this job and time on the job, have confidence in that thing. Know what you're flowing. It's critical. If you're a brand new firefighter, no one has to tell you that. Go figure it out and then have confidence on whatever is in your hands. to take care of business. So I think those couple things, you know, have I'm I'm sure there's others that'll come to mind, but really hold, don't put water on on smoke. Man, I teach almost Almost the opposite of that to some extent because it depends. Depends on what you're facing. Depends on the scenario, depends on the heat You know, all kinds of different things.

Corley: I love binaries. And you know, like you said, I people love black and white. People love black. I love binaries. And one of one of my favorite things and I tell it everywhere I go, Brian Brush says you got smoke at the doorknob level, you should be flowing water. Now, is that yes? I mean, that's I just I just love it because it's a yes-no. It's something you can teach someone who's never been in anything, you know? And is it yeah, is it always true? Probably not. If you really want to go actually, but Man, is it a great binary for for guiding people who've never felt heat or just been in training burns with a couple pallets? Absolutely. DJ Stone: 100%. My brother, we have taught that at the the city of Fort Walton Beach since my almost the entirety of my career. And we called it the doorknob rule before it was a thing. It's kind of like this whole when the whole transitional attack was a thing. Fort Walton, Scambia County, the general A50 area, we're looking at each other going, that's kind of what we've been doing. You know, we didn't know it was a thing because it's it's normative for the lesser staff. departments to take advantage of an opportunity to do that if you have to to put things in check until you can get through that front door. And so you know I you know there there are so many dip opinions and stuff, but I try to default And surround myself with people a lot smarter than me that have done the job a lot more in close proximity and way outside of my bubble. And for this far in my career, It's worked. The Knob thing, you know, it it validated itself because we learned it outside of our organization into the circuit world, and that's a well-known thing. Our saying was doorknob rule, you're either gonna apply water or you're gonna vent somewhere in proximity. But when you vent, you gotta be ready to get in there And go after it.

Corley: I love it. I love it. yes. okay, a couple things. Everybody, if you have any issues with the stream on Facebook, remember we are live on YouTube. If you're not aware, we are live on YouTube. Please go like and subscribe and click notify me when you go live. so all that being said, but yeah, if you have we are watching all the chats. Kyle is watching all the chats, he's also responding to everybody in all the chats Which is awesome. So keep your questions coming. next question coming at you from Joe Gavita. He says, and you may have to do a little background explanation, but what is a goal of yours with your new position? DJ Stone: So to give everyone a background, I have retired from the city of Fort Walton Beach after 22 years and took a tremendous opportunity in a place called South Walton Fire District. Here in the paint handle, the South Walton Fire District encompasses the area called 30A. 30A is well known. It's kind of, it's Pretty bougie beach area that a lot of famous people have second and third homes at. It's it's just a when you come to visit the encouragement outside of Pensacola Beach, of course. is to come over and check out that stretch of beach because it is just phenomenal. It's a great area. So there was an opportunity to open to that department and that department does not open opportunities often And so when this came about, I said, man, I I I I gotta go for it, you know, and well, sort of. I was a little hesitant talking to my wife, you know, we both you know, are are faithful Christians and and like you know, we base our decisions a lot of times off prayer and that. And so in light of that, In light of that, we we was just, it came down to this, you know what, doors open and doors close. So why not take the opportunity? Long story short, I retired and I'm here. So that being said, I'm currently as of week three this week the training division chief for this department. It's a about 108, I think it's around 108 Man slash woman department. It is five stations with a six in planning. Five ambulances Two trucks, three engines, special operations squad. So it's quite a bit more than what I came from.

DJ Stone: I came from a two-station, three rig, true truck and engine house. interoperating with several other departments to a giant organization in my mind it's giant probably not to a lot of people listening but much larger organization so right in light of that There's a lot of plans. There's a lot of things I want to do. First and foremost is supporting what they have in place. The training division is relatively new for Southwalton. And I actually good friend of mine, Lou Jones, who used to work at Midway as one of their battalion chiefs, left years ago to go to Tennessee, came back, went to Midway, he worked with my brother, he worked with Chief Kansak, a bunch of friends He ran the division and subsequently moved over into an operations role as a battalion. And that opened the opportunity for me. So I came in, all that to say. He did a tremendous job of building this program and putting in place from a committee style of training to train division chief and kind of bringing order to the organization. And I'm simply there for the first year to kind of support that and to continue to build the foundation. Like Lou has laid the vast majority. Okay. And we're coming into an organization that is young. The district is was formed in about 83 and really ramped up in 99. And so in light of that, that comes with a lot of pros. The pros is I don't have a lot of history to overcome.

Corley: Right. DJ Stone: I have a very young aggressive group of officers. I have a brand new turnover and chief staff that's ultra supportive of the expansion of the division, of training. And the here's the big thing, Corley, bringing outside in. Speaker 4: Right. DJ Stone: Because I've spent my career of getting knowledge being outside in. And I just want to say this about outside in organizations. We have to be careful as firefighters in large busy organizations of becoming what I call insulated. Corley: Oh yeah. DJ Stone: Insulated fire service is, man, this is the way we do it. We don't care about, here's a famous one. I don't care how they do it in FDI. Right Oh okay, okay. No one's saying we need to do FDNY, but here's the fact of the matter: most of what we do is from the FDNY. So in light of that, everything that we've learned at the city of Fort Walton Beach wasn't one-off ideas. It was a hodgepodge. There's a saying in the art world, nothing new under the sun. Every inspiration comes from something. So in light of that, I want to do at South Walton a form of that. You know, I want it's it's an outstanding training facility. We have a tower like no other. We have a connex burn setup that's pretty great. even greater in another year or two when we go to revamp it. We are resource heavy. We're able to expand. And I plan on bringing hopefully a lot of that outside influence in selfishly, not only to our organization, but hopefully to the region. You know, Kurt Kurt has done a tremendous amount of good for the 850 area all the way over to South Walton. But from South Walton to where he's at in Pensacola, that's a solid hour and a half nearly a hundred miles away. So I'm hoping to work with Kurt and a lot of other people in the future and bringing bright minds in. And Joe DeVito you know is is doing a lot of great work with the with the thermal imaging stuff, right? And all that kind of stuff back in the day. And so, you know, I want to bring people like that in. I want to be bright minds and I don't know everything and I know it. I don't claim to know it But you know what? Neither did Einstein.

DJ Stone: You know what he said? You ain't gonna know all the answers. You just need to know where to find them to be a genius, right? I'm trying to Einstein the fire service, man. Corley: I'm telling you, people it is one of the massive benefits of of having these conversations week in and week out with people like you, like Romagus, like Isaacson, like Lombardo. And the really cool part is for me, I get to bring these people in. Like Romagus is coming in in November to my department and giving everybody on my shift cruel intentions talking about decision making on the nozzle. How cool is that? Like that's amazing. DJ Stone: Can I s can I say this for the record? The Romagus show that you did with him was it a couple years ago a year or two ago maybe number 75? Bro like I shared that on my shift And dudes who just really didn't pay attention to that stuff, straight up blown away. It was such good rootsy nozzle stuff. Corley: Oh, man. DJ Stone: That's coming from an experiential background I I I put Kyle in this category called the Texas contingent from here. You know, Chief Davis and and all those guys, Chief Gordon and Kyle and All these guys from Texas, man, they're such a wealth of knowledge. And that was one of the best episodes for real. That's one of my top five that you've done.

Corley: Brother, I I think it's my favorite episode. I would I'll probably go on record and say it is my favorite Man, that's tough because for me it's like pick a favorite kid. But it is the whiteboard episode number 75, one of my favorite episodes of all time. And I wish that it was so early. I mean, 75 is relatively early. I mean, we're at 203, so it's it was A third of the way through where we're at, but it didn't have the reach that it has now. So only certain people, unless you've gone back in time, you know it doesn't have the reason. DJ Stone: You should do like a rescrap or something. Corley: Just re-release. DJ Stone: You know, like they play they they play old episodes every so often or something like that. Corley: Problem is is that there's so many people I need to have on the scrap. Like you. Like, seriously, how long is it taking for me to get you on? DJ Stone: So like I shouldn't be here Corley: But I think that 75 if it would release now would be just off the charts because there's so much more reach of the scrap now than 75 had. So anyway, anyway, that's behind the scenes but no, absolutely the whiteboard episode. The funny part was is it was an accidental episode that we crammed in on a weekend. So it was awesome, no, a hundred percent. I'm going to read a few comments. I man, haven't seen a live scrap in a while. That's from Michael Lataki. I haven't seen Michael Lataki in a while. I don't know if you're going to be in Pensacola this August or not, but I'll see you soon, I'm sure. Smoothboard Cartel Kyle, who we're talking about, said couldn't think of a better dude to take over a training division, infiltrate and improve my brother. So there you go. I'm reading, I'm reading, I'm reading. Alan Glugofsky said, unfortunately, my department is very insulated. It drives me nuts. Siloing happens everywhere, brother. It's something that we need to fight against, and it is a tough, it is a tough battle from within. Dennis Riley mentioned earlier he has he has a slideshow going tonight. He did want to sponsor your scrap and he and First Line Fire Training has a slideshow going and there is a picture he wanted to reference. So make sure when you get a chance to go check out and see the pictures that are cycling.

Corley: because he wanted to ask about it. absolutely. Okay. And everybody, I released it today, so I want to say I want to mention this is I'm doing these things called the greatest bits. And it's really fun to it's really fun to make them, but it takes a lot of time of editing. And I'll work on this, I'll work on the sound levels. People have complained a little bit about the sound levels. All right, working on it but working on the sound levels of it, but if you see a soundbite or if you're watching a scrap or listening to a scrap and you hear a soundbite that's like the best of a greatest bit. Email me, message me, let me know so that it can be put into them because they're hard for me to find. There's there's 600 hours of scraps out there that I have to dig through. So anyway, that being said. All right. So I'm going to throw one of your topics at you and then I'll go back to the audience questions. Speaker 4: Okay. Corley: But man, I'm trying to figure out which one I want to hit. Because we kind of touched on some things. I'm gonna go with the Jack of All Trades Master of None, the suburban fire problem.

DJ Stone: Yes. I think every suburban firefighter knows exactly what that term means. And me and my brother have been kind of toying with this idea of really my brother talking about doing a class sort of addressing the suburban. When you divide the word up, it's suburban. And with that being said, depending on the suburban environment we're in, you're dealing with urban elements and not urban elements. So the problem with the suburban world is we are generally speaking a less is more situation specifically in the panhandle. I'm lucky to be in a department currently that is relatively self-contained. For the most part, we can handle a first and second alarm on our own without any help. That is not common. Outside of probably Escambia County and maybe North Walton. To my knowledge, in our general area, everybody needs help and assistance. What that turns into is a world of quints and we're no different. I've spent my entire life on a quint. I think you've done some time on quints we all deal with quints and joking aside about the quint life that's just our reality yes because we got to be a swiss army knife don't we oh yeah out here and I had the pleasure of working the last three years as a battalion with a true engine, what I would call in our area, one of the very few fully staffed 4-4 True Engine truck combos at downtown station in Fort Walton Beach. And so what I discovered was something I hadn't experienced before. was the absolute pleasure of watching two companies operate and how much gets done with two fully staffed companies on a working fire. It's crazy. Or any other given call for that matter. All that being said, that's not the luxury of most.

Speaker 4: Most companies are two and three c three men and they're showing up on a quint and truck work is dependent on a sequence of arrival. and that's a massive, massive challenge.